Pawn

Last Updated: Oct 28, 2018 Game Version: 8.0.1

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Jan 13, 2008

Owner: VgerAN

Pawn helps you find upgrades for your gear and tell which of two items is better for your spec. Start with built-in advice from Ask Mr. Robot, or customize Pawn's stat weights to have it suggest items based on your favorite class guide or simulator. Pawn can help you decide whether it's better to use the cloak with 100 mastery or the one with 80 crit—whether you're just starting out, or you're an advanced player who plans out gear upgrades and regularly simulates and evaluates performance.

Language support

Pawn works with English, French, German, Italian, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish (European and Latin American), Simplified Chinese, and Traditional Chinese. Unlike most addons, Pawn's language has to match the language you play WoW in.

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Prerelease alpha versions of Pawn are occasionally available on CurseForge.

Getting started

If you're new to Pawn, don't worry—Pawn will automatically set itself up to give you advice based on math done by the experts at Ask Mr. Robot. Just watch for Pawn's green arrows. If you decide you want to go further, there are a lot of ways that you can customize Pawn, by tracking multiple specs at once, importing custom stat weights, and more.

Found a bug?

If you think you might have found a bug, just leave a comment here. In addition to a description of the problem, please make sure to include: (1) the language that you use Pawn and WoW in, (2) the specific items that don't work as expected, and (3) your class and spec if you're using the built-in (not custom) stat weights. Screenshots are usually very helpful as well.

Incompatible with...

Pawn will not work with Titan Panel Artifact Power or Combat Numbers Separator. Those addons change item tooltips and will cause Pawn to give bad advice. It's also been reported that using Pawn with TradeSkillMaster can cause the game to crash or hang.

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Charliescow
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#4699 Charliescow

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Posted Dec 9, 2018
(1) English

(2) Can't compare 2h vs 1h+1h

(3) Fire Mage

https://imgur.com/a/TxvLBC6

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wag1bredren
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Posted Nov 27, 2018
( Pawn: v1: "Ridiculoid - Arms (Raidbots)": Class=Warrior, Spec=Arms, Strength=1.70, CritRating=1.64, HasteRating=1.59, MasteryRating=1.39, Versatility=1.34, Dps=9.59 )

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wag1bredren
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Posted Nov 26, 2018
( Pawn: v1: "Ridiculoid - Arms (Raidbots)": Class=Warrior, Spec=Arms, Strength=1.73, CritRating=1.61, HasteRating=1.53, MasteryRating=1.39, Versatility=1.33, Dps=9.59 )

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ray_smith
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Posted Nov 17, 2018
I'm using a custom set of values from Raidbots, not built-in scales. I only have one active scale, the Raidbots one.

My assassination rogue is having issues where despite having two daggers equipped, ANY dagger in bags regardless of item level is showing the upgrade indicator in the bag as well as "^ upgrade" in the tooltip despite no indication of an upgrade value. When I do compares it works correctly, it's the tooltip and icon indicator that seem to be awry. It seems that it's not detecting that I actually have daggers equipped in that scenario.

As a secondary issue which seems to be slightly different from some reported below, non-daggers are showing as upgrades when I'm in assassination spec despite non-daggers being sub-optimal. It would be preferred that non-daggers not be included in the list of usable weapons for assassination.

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VgerAN
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Posted Nov 18, 2018
In reply to ray_smith:

Hi! Sorry for the troubles; Pawn should treat any non-dagger as unusable for Assassination. (1) Can you paste the scale you're using in a reply here, or a link to where you got it? Did you import it using Pawn's import button, or create it by typing in a bunch of numbers? (2) I assume that you're not using the artifact daggers from Legion?

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ray_smith
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Posted Nov 20, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

( Pawn: v1: "Toonname - Assassination (Raidbots)": Class=Rogue, Spec=Assassination, Agility=1.73, CritRating=1.40, HasteRating=1.51, MasteryRating=1.24, Versatility=1.25, Dps=8.68, OffHandDps=1.01 )

It's from Raidbots and I'm importing it in directly.

Correct, I'm currently using a pair of world quest daggers.

While I think of it, there's one other quirk I haven't been able to figure out - Pawn has MH/OH weights for dps for dual-wield classes but the tooltips only show the MH number even for items in the OH, this causes issues because things like sockets have more value for OH weapons since weapon dps (ie. iLvl) is a lot less important for an OH. Is this handled somehow in a way that I'm not seeing?

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Posted Nov 13, 2018
Hello !

Healers cant dual wield weapons but Pawn still think they can. You fixed it i believe for Mistweaver Monks, but I have the same issue on my Resto Druid. In fact, for many spec "One-Hand" weapons are actually "Main-Hand", which is somewhat confusing but that's how it works.

I also have a question : is there a way to switch the displayed scale when i switch spec while using some or all custom scales ? If not, that would be a good quality of life feature request.

Thank you.

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VgerAN
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Posted Nov 18, 2018
In reply to FaeryllCurse:

Hi! Sorry for the delayed response. Resto druids shouldn't have the same problem; they're marked as not being able to use off-hand weapons already. Did you type in the numbers for your scale manually, or is it one that you imported using Pawn's Import feature? Can you paste the scale you're using here, or a link to where you got it?

I definitely do plan to add some sort of automatic switching for Manual mode someday. Thanks for the suggestion!

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Posted Nov 10, 2018
Not sure if it's entirely a huge issue or not, but playing a Void Elf Holy Priest right now, and I've been noticing that regardless of lvl of the gear I'm getting, no matter what it is telling me that the gear with the most versatality is an upgrade for me. Which Versatality is the lowest on my stat priority. Not sure if that's just a simple glitch or if you guys have wrote it that way, but it's really confusing me to see upgrades in my bags, when I literally am losing all other stats but gaining just a couple of vers and it's saying it's a 15% upgrade for me. For example, Slumbersilk Waistcord (ilvl 23) is saying it's a 3% upgrade for me over Enumerated wrap of the Fireflash (ilvl 28), and if I use the Slumbersilk I lose 1 Int, 2 Stam, 2 Crit, 3 Haste and gain 4 Vers, and it's an upgrade for me. I don't think that's right.

Playing on US servers, in English. BFA.

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VgerAN
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Posted Nov 18, 2018
In reply to leveecius:

Hi! Sorry for the confusion, and for the delayed response. The default stat weights for holy priests from Ask Mr. Robot have versatility as your #2 secondary stat, right behind crit, decently ahead of mastery and way ahead of haste. I double-checked just now and that's true on the latest weights I got from them. So the results you're seeing do match up with those.

If that doesn't seem right to you, I'd suggest mentioning it to them—maybe something's up with their simulations. Alternately, you can also use AMR or another simulation tool to produce custom weights for your character, and see if you get something significantly different. It's a bit more work, but it should yield better results in Pawn than using the one-size-fits-all defaults.

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Akui
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Posted Nov 7, 2018
Playing on english client on EU-servers, the character affected is a mage.
I'm getting these strange bugs on my custom weigths where a lot of weapons that shouldn't shows as an upgrade in the bags. It seems to happen more often if the weapon is of a different type than the one I have equiped (if it's a dagger and I have a sword equipped). In the tooltip it doesn't say it's an upgrade even if the icon shows the arrow. It also appears to happen more often if the score gap is greater so it doesn't really interfere with the gear I'm getting but greens keep showing as upgrades and it always makes me think I've accidently unequiped something :P

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Posted Nov 18, 2018
In reply to Akui:

Hi—sorry for the delayed response! Can you paste your custom weights here, or a link to where you got them?

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Radoznali
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Posted Oct 29, 2018
Would it be possiable to add values (sites like herodamage,raidbots,wowhead,.. ) for azerite armor traits to pawn -to total and for each trait separately ?

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Posted Oct 31, 2018
In reply to Radoznali:

Hi! Yeah, it seems like that's something I should probably do. Do you have a favorite spot that gives numeric weights to Azerite traits? I've personally been looking mostly at Icy-Veins, but those guides don't give numbers, just general rankings.

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Posted Nov 1, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

I am using in game addon called Azeriteforge and its get its weights from https://www.herodamage.com/. but also wowhead has ranking with dmg per sec. raidbots also does sims for azerite traits .

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Posted Nov 18, 2018
In reply to Radoznali:

Thanks for the tip!

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Posted Oct 28, 2018
I don't have any issue with Pawn and Tradeskillmaster, and haven't all BfA. I think it is a combination of TSM, Pawn, and something else, but I don't have the something else installed.

Anyway, my issue is that Pawn keeps telling me (much) lower item level gear are upgrades. If I get an item that is 10-25 item levels lower than my equipped piece, Pawn gives me the up arrow telling me it is better. Clearly, this is not true. It often isn't true when the item is a mere 5 item levels lower, given the item level squish in BfA. It is also possible that Pawn is not telling me when an item is higher item level than my equipped piece that is an upgrade, meaning the opposite could be true as well, but this is infrequent.

I play on enUS locale, Vengeance Demon Hunter, although talking with my guild mates, they are seeing the same results on other classes and talent specs.

It is one thing when newly acquired gear is +/- 5 item levels, which might require simulation to make sure; it is quite different when gear is vastly lower. Is there a way Pawn can either ignore items >= 10 item levels lower, or point out an upgrade if the item is >= 10 higher?

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Posted Oct 31, 2018
In reply to myrroddin:

Hi! Thanks for the feedback, and detailed language/spec information. I've gotten comments throughout BfA that the stat weights that I get from Ask Mr. Robot are questionable, and I'd like to get to the bottom of it. Right now I'm not plugged-in enough to high-end raiding to know if it's really true that some secondary stats are just vastly better for some specs than others, and therefore AMR is right and those crazy situations where a much lower-ilvl item is indeed better, or if it's just a problem with the weights over- or under-valuing some stats. I do know that at times in the past, it's indeed been the case that the stats were wildly unbalanced, and that's one of the reasons I made Pawn to begin with.

Ideally I'd like to solve the problem one of two ways: (1) either get better weights if necessary, or (2) still let you know when a much-lower-ilvl item is better, but indicate in some other way that the higher-ilvl one is still good to toss in the bank for your ilvl rating.

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Posted Nov 14, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

I could be wrong, but I don't think the weights are the issue. I'd have to test a lot more to make sure. I say that because the weights on a 320 gear piece seem fine, as do weights on a 355 in the same slot. The trouble is that the stats probably are different. Let's say on my Vengeance DH the 320 has Haste and Mastery, while the 355 has Crit and Versatility. Because of the stat budget, the 355 is better, even if for VDH the Haste and Mastery are priorities over Crit and Vers.

This is because there is significantly more Crit and Vers than there is Haste and Mastery, and a lot more primary stat (or Stamina for rings).

Now, I am talking about VDHs here, but the principle applies to all classes and specs, which is why I suggested a +/- 10 iLevel cutoff. Between primary stats and the stat budget for the secondaries, there is no possible way a 320 can outperform a 330+; likewise a 330+ will always outperform a 320 or lower.

Truth be told, I barely glance at the suggested stat priorities on sites like Wowhead and Icy-Veins, because while they are decent guides, they have to assume you have BiS everything, including your Azerite pieces and raid gear. For the vast majority of players, that isn't true. Instead, I always sim my actual character, and surprise, surprise, the sim always tells me that I need more of some stat that is NOT my "priority". Usually because I am lacking that stat, and I have too much of the "priority". I'm not gaining benefit for having more "priority" stats because of breakpoints, and I need a lot more of other "lesser" stats.

tl;dr: Nothing wrong with your stat weights or sims, other than they are generic and don't apply to 99.99999999% of the player base. Do your own sims. And iLevel matters.

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Posted Nov 20, 2018
In reply to myrroddin:

Have you ever considered that issues might be how addons are seeing ilv of items?I havent seen this behaiour much in Pawn but i use Zygor addon and it often tells me that some lower ilv item is better but i should still use it,but its clearly that if you check actual ilv of item addon is basicly seein lowest version of item and not actual version of item i have in my bag.

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