Pawn

Last Updated: Oct 10, 2018 Game Version: 8.0.1

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Owner: VgerAN

Pawn helps you find upgrades for your gear and tell which of two items is better for your spec. Start with built-in advice from Ask Mr. Robot, or customize Pawn's stat weights to have it suggest items based on your favorite class guide or simulator. Pawn can help you decide whether it's better to use the cloak with 100 mastery or the one with 80 crit—whether you're just starting out, or you're an advanced player who plans out gear upgrades and regularly simulates and evaluates performance.

Language support

Pawn works with English, French, German, Italian, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish (European and Latin American), Simplified Chinese, and Traditional Chinese. Unlike most addons, Pawn's language has to match the language you play WoW in.

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Prerelease alpha versions of Pawn are occasionally available on CurseForge.

Getting started

If you're new to Pawn, don't worry—Pawn will automatically set itself up to give you advice based on math done by the experts at Ask Mr. Robot. Just watch for Pawn's green arrows. If you decide you want to go further, there are a lot of ways that you can customize Pawn, by tracking multiple specs at once, importing custom stat weights, and more.

Found a bug?

If you think you might have found a bug, just leave a comment here. In addition to a description of the problem, please make sure to include: (1) the language that you use Pawn and WoW in, (2) the specific items that don't work as expected, and (3) your class and spec if you're using the built-in (not custom) stat weights. Screenshots are usually very helpful as well.

Incompatible with...

Pawn will not work with Titan Panel Artifact Power or Combat Numbers Separator. Those addons change item tooltips and will cause Pawn to give bad advice. It's also been reported that using Pawn with TradeSkillMaster can cause the game to crash or hang.

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Drevneus
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Posted Oct 19, 2018
Mastery value 2 times higher than speed for Discipine priest facepalm.jpg

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Bladehawk27
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Posted Oct 13, 2018
Hello,

Recently (not sure exactly when, maybe since 8.0), Pawn causes an issue with AllTheThings where ATT's appearance collection icon is positioned by Pawn, causing overlaps with some items. Furthermore, not all item tooltips are affected; items in the inventory or in the Dungeon Journal are fine. It seems to be only tooltips on the World Map (World Quest/emissary rewards). I took these screenshots with only ATT and Pawn enabled and I'm using the enUS client. I'm using a different font but the issue occurs with the default font as well.

WQ reward tooltip:

https://gyazo.com/adaffd59ceff96eb9ff0f6aa16b87035

Emissary reward tooltip:

https://gyazo.com/4333150db203c45f1ec31eb33e14b87a

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EduardCurse
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Posted Oct 9, 2018
Pawn offers rings with Unique-Equiped, I do wear one same with better iLevel and can't use second one in second slot. Second issue, I'm getting as upgrade neck items even I wearing Hearth of Azeroth and its 100+ iLevel better than necklages in my bag (garrison reward or baleful tokens).

Example: Embittered Locket of the Aurora iLevel 138 shows as Upgrade to my Heart of Azeroth iLevel 352.

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VgerAN
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Posted Oct 10, 2018
In reply to EduardCurse:

Hey! Which language do you play in? My guess is that Pawn is missing one of the stats on your Heart in your language. If you put the Heart into Pawn's Compare tab (put it into the upper-right side, and then anything can go into the upper-left, even the same item), are any stats missing?

I'm aware of the problem with Unique-Equipped rings—Pawn's supposed to ignore other identical rings, but that must have stopped working at some point. Thanks for the report!

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Posted Oct 10, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

Hello, thanks for all effort. I'm using enGB client. I'm using simple tooltip compare, never did use PAWN build in windows for compare. It shows small green arrow on icon in my bag as well. I will follow your instructions and tell you if neck from garrison is considered as upgrade over HOA neck.

As for rings. I think you hit same problem as I. I'm having autovendor of items and new item have weird behave for iLevel detection.

is not possible to use GetItemInfo, because it shows very base iLevel for BFA items

is not possible to scan tooltip when you use SetItemByID(itemId) it shows again same base iLevel for item

You must use SetBagItem(bag,slot) and scan tooltip to see true iLevel of item

Probably when you query iLevel of equiped item in your addon and getting wrong iLevel with stats. Same as I get when my code did use 2) for quering item in bags. I did get itemID from bag slot and then I did scan tooltip by setting with SetItemByID() and I got whacked numbers compared to values when I did use SetBagItem().
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Posted Oct 11, 2018
In reply to EduardCurse:

Just got in hand next neck item look at tooltip compare and bag icon screen snip. Picture is placed on my server so SSL is self signed. This screen snip show in PAWN compare where is HOA shown as better so it is correct. Problem is only icon in bag and tooltip compare.

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Posted Oct 7, 2018
Three things:

1) Pawn seems to be bugged/malfunctioning at least in regards to two-handed staves on Destruction Warlocks. Whenever I find a green staff, Pawn tells me is over a 250%+ improvement over the epic one I'm using, even when its a downgrade on every single stat (including stuff like -1000 INT). My guess is that for some reason Pawn thinks my 2H Staff is a 1H Weapon and that I can somehow equip the green staves on the offhand or some shit like that. I can't check right now but I seem to remember that if I equip the green staff the epic one doesn't show as an upgrade. Very serious issue that makes you lose all confidence in the addon all together.

2) You really need to do something with the trinkets. One of my principal reasons for installing Pawn was to get some help on the "impossible to measure" trinkets and their procs/uses, but Pawn just ignores them entirely. I'm going to a site to check the values they give to different trinkets for my specc on multiple simulations to get an idea how good/bad they are... Maybe Pawn could either add those values, or let me to manually introduce them to the trinkets using info found elsewhere. Is not fun when I "steal" a 360 ilvl trinket to "check" if it seems to improve the DPS over my "330" one to find out it doesn't...

3) Not sure why Pawn doesn't include some DPS Simulation Data to compare my pieces as a set (knowing how much to weight Crit as Haste goes up and viceversa) instead of comparing them in a useless vacuum with ratios that may not apply to me at all because the Addon doesn't know how much of each I'm wearing despite being an easy-to-check single value.

I can't say I "like Pawn", not a fan, just installed it less than a month ago to help me know what stat was more important for me only to find out it doesn't actually help me (I need to go to SimC and stuff like that), but I see untapped potential on an Addon that as of now I can't in good faith recommend to any of my friends because it gives wrong info, based on ratios that don't apply to you, compared without taking into account what you are wearing, and all it gives you are some cool green arrows that may not show on items that are actual upgrades for you or just blatantly lie to you (like is happening to me with the staves right now).

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VgerAN
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Posted Oct 7, 2018
In reply to Kaemonarch2:

Hi—thanks for the feedback, and sorry for the troubles. Let me see if I can figure out what's going on for you.

1) What language do you play in? Do you use either Titan Panel Artifact Power or Combat Numbers Separator, or any other addon that changes the way that numbers appear in the game? If you put the two items into Pawn's Compare tab, do the numbers look right, or is at least one of them way off?

2) I'd definitely like to do something more with trinkets in the future. I'd been talking with some representatives from Ask Mr. Robot about including some of their trinket proc simulation data into Pawn, but they're pretty swamped these days and haven't had time to provide that. But it's still something I'd love to include.

3) Doing DPS/healing/tanking simulations while you're playing the game and keeping up with all of the constant hotfixes is unfortunately something that I'll never be able to accomplish with Pawn: that's probably a full-time job for multiple people. But, if you're using simulations, you can use them to export custom stat weights for Pawn (often with just a single click and a copy/paste), and that will get you pretty-accurate advice while you're playing the game and something drops. Periodically you'd need to re-export the stats weights as your gear changes or as hotfixes impact your performance, but that should get you good in-game advice on everything except for trinkets.

The built-in stat weights (for people who don't import their own) should also get better over time as I get new information from Mr. Robot, but they'll never be as accurate as weights tailor-built for your character in a simulation.

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Posted Oct 8, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

1) Spanish and the only other 2 addons installed are Details! and Deadly Boss Mods.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qgp54t7sg9nqt0h/WoWPawn01.png?dl=0

Right now I only have this Bind on Equip blue staff I'm planning to sell, but that's the kind of non-sense I get when comparing staves for some reason. I don't know what the Math should be for the +503% Upgrade to make sense, but my wild guess is that Pawn assumes I can equip it on the off-hand without un equiping my current staff.

2) I sure hope you do so.

3) I wasn't talking about doing the simulations, but adding the formulas obtained by the people that do those simulations, somehow... I'm not a math expert here, but I know it's super-easy to do with just 2 variables (like Haste and Crit). Having Mastery, Versatility and your Main Stat sure complicate if a lot...

And yeah, I know you can use simulations and important the custom stat weights, its what I have been doing now... But Pawn never told me so, I kinda had to dig the web by myself to figure out you had to do that after I got worried that Pawn was lying to me in my face (at first I assumed Pawn automatically knew Crit was less effective the more you had, etc).

I mean... If you have 100 DPS, and crit for double damage, gaining 10% Haste or 10% Crit is virtually the same... And if you already have 10% Haste, and 0% Crit (total of 110 DPS) now getting 10% Crit is better (121 DPS instead of 120 of another extra 10% Haste). That's the kinda "equations" I assumed Pawn was doing by himself. Granted, having other 3 variables in the equation makes it more complicated (and not even accounting for specs, powers and spells that may benefit more from one or the other because how it affects their resource generation).

But yeah, I can see many people installing Pawn assuming it does all the work for you.

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Posted Oct 8, 2018
In reply to Kaemonarch2:

Thanks for the extra info—I'll see what I can find out.

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Posted Oct 6, 2018
Hi, It seems that whenever I have a wand equipped on my holy priest. All weapons are upgrades over it (even if 50 item levels lower). Then when i equip that weapon the wand is an upgrade of it. It's very confusing.

Bug?

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Posted Oct 7, 2018
In reply to stardotmeh89794:

Hi! What language do you play in? Do you use the built-in Ask Mr. Robot scales (Automatic mode, the default), or have you imported custom scales in Manual mode? Can you include a couple of screenshots showing the problem?

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Posted Oct 7, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

Hi! I play in English. When i get home I'll do some screenshots for you. I have custom scales from Priest Discord. This issue only happens on my priest though with wands :) I believe I still have another weapon for the screen grab.

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Posted Oct 8, 2018
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Hi VgerAN,

As mentioned here are screenshots

http://i64.tinypic.com/2duyuy0.png

http://i68.tinypic.com/2zz6m29.png

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Posted Oct 8, 2018
In reply to stardotmeh89794:

Thanks! Can you paste the scale you're using, or a link to where it came from? My guess is that it doesn't have "Class=Priest, Spec=Holy" in it but should. Pawn is probably saying that the new weapon is an upgrade to your off-hand and not your wand because it doesn't know that it's for holy priests who can't dual-wield.

Though dual-wielding wands would be pretty sweet.

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Posted Oct 5, 2018
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Posted Oct 3, 2018
I modified World Quest List add-on to show icons for new transmog items (using Can I Mog It add-on) and upgrade items (using Pawn).

I also want Pawn to show items with higher item level as upgrades because I have alts I won't raid but I need item level to do things like warfronts and looking for raid. Plus, higher item level gear means higher item level world quests.

To do that, I had to add Item Level as a stat weight then I added an item level scale with just that stat. I also had to make trinkets comparable and add trinkets to the list of items that can be used in two slots (like rings and weapons).

Relics require selecting the "Show relic upgrades" option. I don't think that option should be removed while relics are still obtainable.

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Posted Oct 3, 2018
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Hi! Thanks for the feedback; that's very dedicated. :) I think I'm going to add something built-in that's very similar to what you accomplished—something that makes it so that higher ilvl items get a green arrow, for exactly those reasons. Hopefully I can find a way to make it not annoying in cases where, for example, you have higher-level items in the bank but are choosing to use lower-level ones because they have bad stats or are for another spec.

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Posted Oct 3, 2018
Hey I have this weird bug since I first installed Pawn months ago where for some itens I have this translation problem error. I already disabled all addons and I still have it, I really don't want to change the language I play the game just because of one thing. The error happens with wands too.

I play the game in PT-BR lang

Error Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/fJFxWYJ

Edit: On the SS you can see that I'm comparing the same weapon on a lower ilvl and it's showing as an upgrade

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Posted Oct 3, 2018
In reply to anotherxmastree:

Hmmm, interesting. I would have thought that maybe the problem is that you'd installed an addon that changed the decimal and thousands separators on your items, but it looks like you've got the usual ones for Portuguese. And you said it happens with just Pawn and nothing else enabled?

Can you try this?

Type /pawn debug on

Hover over a weapon that's having the problem

Type /pawn debug off

Then, scroll back through your chat and look for (?) in blue. That'll tell you which lines on the tooltip Pawn didn't understand. A little bit of it's normal, but do you see anything relating to damage/DPS/weapon speed being marked as something that Pawn didn't understand?
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