Pawn

Last Updated: Jul 20, 2018 Game Version: 8.0.1

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Owner: VgerAN

Pawn helps you find upgrades for your gear and tell which of two items is better for your spec. Start with built-in advice from Ask Mr. Robot, or customize Pawn's stat weights to have it suggest items based on your favorite class guide or simulator. Pawn can help you decide whether it's better to use the cloak with 500 mastery or the one with 450 crit—whether you're just starting out, or you're an advanced player who plans out gear upgrades and regularly simulates and evaluates performance.

Language support

Pawn works with English, French, German, Italian, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish (European and Latin American), Simplified Chinese, and Traditional Chinese. Unlike most addons, Pawn's language has to match the language you play WoW in.

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Prerelease alpha versions of Pawn are occasionally available on CurseForge.

Getting started

If you're new to Pawn, don't worry—Pawn will automatically set itself up to give you advice based on math done by the experts at Ask Mr. Robot. Just watch for Pawn's green arrows. If you decide you want to go further, there are a lot of ways that you can customize Pawn, by tracking multiple specs at once, importing custom stat weights, and more.

Found a bug?

If you think you might have found a bug, just leave a comment here. In addition to a description of the problem, please make sure to include: (1) the language that you use Pawn and WoW in, (2) the specific items that don't work as expected, and (3) your class and spec if you're using the built-in (not custom) stat weights. Screenshots are usually very helpful as well.

Incompatible with...

Pawn will not work with Titan Panel Artifact Power or Combat Numbers Separator. Those addons change item tooltips and will cause Pawn to give bad advice.

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teyka51931
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Posted Jul 19, 2018
Hi, for some reason it doesn't show the all items value when hovering over pawn icon in the character menu (Russian client). Also i get the lag when opening bags, even though advices on items in bags are turned off (using ElvUI without addonskins).

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VgerAN
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Posted Jul 19, 2018
In reply to teyka51931:

Hi! Thanks for the report—I'll take a look when I can. ElvUI typically creates a bunch of problems for Pawn and I may not be able to easily release a fix, but I'll see what I can do.

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Posted Jul 19, 2018
Hello i get the following error with the version 2.2.20.

8x Pawn\Pawn-2.2.20.lua:3283: attempt to call global 'GetNumEquipmentSets' (a nil value)
Pawn\Pawn-2.2.20.lua:3283: in function `PawnFindBestItems'
Pawn\Pawn-2.2.20.lua:2974: in function `PawnIsItemAnUpgrade'
Pawn\Pawn-2.2.20.lua:1257: in function `PawnUpdateTooltip'
Pawn\Pawn-2.2.20.lua:316: in function <Pawn\Pawn.lua:314>
[C]: in function `SetCompareItem'
FrameXML\GameTooltip.lua:722: in function `GameTooltip_ShowCompareItem'
FrameXML\GameTooltip.lua:552: in function <FrameXML\GameTooltip.lua:550>
[C]: ?
[C]: ?
[C]: ?
[C]: ?
[C]: ?
[C]: ?
[C]: ?
[C]: ?
[C]: ?
[C]: in function `SetHyperlink'
...rfaceBlizzard_GuildUI\Blizzard_GuildNews.lua:249: in function `GuildNewsButton_OnEnter'
[string "*:OnEnter"]:2: in function <[string "*:OnEnter"]:1>

Locals:
ScaleName = "7-OTL-RTB-Wrist-1T"
InventoryOnly = false
Scale = <table> {
PerCharacterOptions = <table> {
}
UpgradesFollowSpecialization = true
Color = "ff8f12"
UnenchantedColor = "bf6b0d"
Values = <table> {
}
}
CharacterOptions = <table> {
Visible = true
BestItems = <table> {
}
}
OldCacheSize = 200
BestItems = <table> {
INVTYPE_HEAD = <table> {
}
INVTYPE_FEET = <table> {
}
INVTYPE_CLOAK = <table> {
}
INVTYPE_FINGER = <table> {
}
INVTYPE_HAND = <table> {
}
INVTYPE_WRIST = <table> {
}
INVTYPE_WAIST = <table> {
}
INVTYPE_NECK = <table> {
}
INVTYPE_LEGS = <table> {
}
INVTYPE_SHOULDER = <table> {
}
INVTYPE_CHEST = <table> {
}
}
CheckItem = <function> defined @Pawn\Pawn.lua:3207
Slot = nil
PreviousItemLink = "item:134552:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:260:256:0:0:883:0:0:0:0:0:0:0"
(*temporary) = nil
(*temporary) = "attempt to call global 'GetNumEquipmentSets' (a nil value)"
PawnItemCacheMaxSize = 500
PawnEpsilon = 1e-10

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VgerAN
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Posted Jul 19, 2018
In reply to pexl:

Thanks for the report! I'll take a look, and hopefully I can release a fix soon.

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Posted Jul 20, 2018
This is fixed in Pawn 2.2.21.

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Posted Jul 17, 2018
English language. Please update the scales, as all the stat priorities have changed.Thank you!

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Posted Jul 19, 2018
In reply to Demonarch83:

Hi! The built-in stat weights come from Ask Mr. Robot; I'll update Pawn as soon as I get something new from them. Hopefully soon!

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Posted Jul 20, 2018
Good news! Pawn 2.2.21 has new default stat weights for all classes and specs.

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Posted Jul 13, 2018
How does Pawn handle enchantments?

I am back to WoW after 5 year hiatus and have a weapon with a +60 agility enchant (feral/guardian druid) and Pawn was telling me to upgrade my weapon and showed a +2 agi with the new weapon but in actuality it would be a -58 loss in agility. I did not follow Pawn's suggestion. Any thoughts on this? (I won't be gettting an agi enchant on any leveling weapons so it would be nice to have as an option a comparison of gear "as is" including enchants. Maybe something similar to the option for gem slots?

Thanks!

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Posted Jul 14, 2018
In reply to volunteerpin:

Hi! Welcome back; I'm coming back on Monday. :) You've got it right: enchantments are ignored for upgrade calculations. That situation with your agility enchantment while leveling is luckily something that should only happen right after returning to WoW after a hiatus or at the beginning of a new expansion (because otherwise you'd always enchant your new upgrade weapon), but you're right to wait until you see something more like a 10% upgrade in your weapon before swapping.

I think it's probably too much work to be worthwhile, but if you want to know the exact point that you should switch weapons, go to Pawn's Options tab and choose "Show both current and base values," and also "Show scale values and upgrade %". Then Pawn will show you an actual numeric score for each item. Then compare the first number next to Feral (or Guardian) on the new weapon with the first one on the old weapon. (The first number is the item as-is, and the second "base" number is without enchantments, the way that Pawn normally works.) And also note that you can't compare a Feral score with a Guardian score, and that you could find one weapon that's better at Feral but worse at Guardian. But I'm too lazy for all that so I'd just wait until you find something that's 5-10% better.

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Posted Jul 15, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

Excellent. I like the 10% idea. So far I'm not having much trouble with content so not that big of a deal. The first few levels back were a little tough until I got some better gear through quest rewards. Love the addon!

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Posted Jul 16, 2018
In reply to volunteerpin:

Great! Glad you're enjoying it. :)

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Posted Jul 2, 2018
Hi there, I think I have found a bug.

I use WoW and Pawn with german language, the default build in stat weights with my Paladin Tank spec.

When Pawn compares some Gear it gets wrong values for example see the picture below. It calculates Stamina (German: "Ausdauer") with a value of 36, but the Item has only the value 24.

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I've seen this error now more times, it seems to be always the wrong value of Stamina, when the item has the attribute "Dodge" (German: "Ausweichen").

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Posted Jul 4, 2018
In reply to mcrunner89:

Hi! That's intentional, and should work in any language. Since Dodge isn't a stat used on gear anymore, old gear and gems that give that stat get counted as Stamina instead, so that Pawn doesn't consider them useless.

Sorry for the confusion! Let me know if you run into anything else.

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Posted Jul 5, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

Hi! Ah OK, I get it, thank you for your reply

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Posted Jun 10, 2018
Could you please add the option to add custom values for sockets, please? This way I could use the value I got from SimulationCraft, multiply it with the gem I want to use next and get a better result. Some time ago Pawn supported sockets, why is that not so anymore?

In addition, I want Pawn to always treat the item with the highest item level as the best and only consider stat weights if the item is one of them. I know that the end results are kind of inefficient this way, but it seems that most people instantly judge my skills through my item level and it would make searching through my bags for the item I want a lot more easy. I would really appreciate it if you would build in an option for that.

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Posted Jun 11, 2018
In reply to bezat22:

Hi! Thanks for the suggestions. Having an option to primarily use item level and then only use stat weights as a tiebreaker is interesting; I'll have to think about it. It kind of defeats the point for most of Pawn's features—you get the arrow icons on items to show up just based on item level without Pawn (or with Pawn, if you go into Pawn's options). But I agree that item level is more important these days for reasons that don't involve your character's performance.

It's true that Pawn used to have the option to let you manually set the value of gems, but I got rid of it as Pawn's socketing logic became smarter and started suggesting different gems based on the item's level. It was a feature that almost no one used because it was such a pain in the butt. Can you tell me more about a situation where Pawn is suggesting one type of gem for you and SimulationCraft (based on the same stat weights) is suggesting a different one? Is it just that the item isn't a very high level, and SC is suggesting that you put the very best gem in, and Pawn is saying not to bother wasting the gold, maybe?

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Posted Jun 13, 2018
Also, maybe it would be a nice idea to In reply to VgerAN:

I am not quite sure if we both talk about the same thing with gems. I really like the fact that Pawn suggest gems based on item levels so I do not waste gold. What I mean is that I want Pawn to calculate gems into the value it displays in the item tooltip and this way as arrow on the icon itself. Have I missed something and Pawn is already doing this?

Secondly, maybe it would be useful to build in an option to always turn the consideration of item levels for gems on/off. I personally would not turn it off, but I guess that there are some people out there who always want to use the best gems possible and it is pointlessly labor intensive to type in an item level manually for each item if you always want to do it like that. In addition, if Pawn calculates gems into item values, an option like that would make the arrow hints more accurate for these people.

Thirdly, at least with a german client, Pawn is not able to calculate values for items which have abilities like: "Your auto hits have the chance to... blah". Although I think it is necessary to teach Pawn treating these items profoundly, calculating a value based only on item level for items like that could be a compromise between "all or nothing".

Fourthly, I have one more idea: Maybe you want to build in the same support Pawn offers for gems also for enchantments?

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Posted Jun 13, 2018
In reply to bezat22:

Yeah, sounds like there's just a communication. No problem! Thanks for sticking with me. :)

Pawn uses the stat value of the suggested gem(s) for a given item as part of the item's value. (One trick I use a lot is to put the same item into both sides of the Compare tab when I just want to see how Pawn is calculating things.) And if you don't want Pawn to consider gems at all until you get to the level cap, there's an option "Ignore sockets on low-level items" that you can enable.

Pawn doesn't do the same thing for enchantments because, except when you upgrade an item to one from a later expansion, you'd generally use the same enchantment as the item you're replacing, so it doesn't change anything about which item is an upgrade to another. For example, if your necklace used Mark of the Feral Unicorn, you'd probably also use Mark of the Feral Unicorn on the new one. In contrast, not all items have sockets, so it's important to take them into account.

It's true that Pawn can't calculate a fair value for items with special effects like the ones you mention. Luckily, in currently-relevant content, that really only comes up with legendaries (which are such a high level that they're better anyway) and trinkets (which Pawn doesn't even bother trying to evaluate). I'm definitely considering making it so that Pawn will just say something like "+5 item levels" on trinkets (like it does for relics)! I agree that that's better than nothing at all, especially since Pawn kind of trains you to ignore items that don't have an arrow.

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Posted Jun 6, 2018
Pawn is adding the Best Value Coins image to a quest reward that is worth 14 silver, when the other reward is worth 81 silver, if the in-game tooltip is to be believed.

Weirdly, Wowhead shows [Headguard of the Innocent] as having a value of 22s 7c. but that is still more than [Thal'darah's Pendant] at 14s 84c.

I also notice there is no way to disable the best value feature without also disabling the upgrade feature on quest rewards. so, Feature Request! :)

EDIT: Actually. it's wrong for a lot of quests...

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