Pawn

Last Updated: Feb 3, 2018 Game Version: 7.3.5

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Owner: VgerAN

Pawn helps you find upgrades for your gear and tell which of two items is better for your spec. Start with built-in advice from Ask Mr. Robot, or customize Pawn's stat weights to have it suggest items based on your favorite class guide or simulator. Pawn can help you decide whether it's better to use the cloak with 500 mastery or the one with 450 crit—whether you're just starting out, or you're an advanced player who plans out gear upgrades and regularly simulates and evaluates performance.

Language support

Pawn works with English, French, German, Italian, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish (European and Latin American), Simplified Chinese, and Traditional Chinese. Unlike most addons, Pawn's language has to match the language you play WoW in.

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Become a fan of Vger on Facebook and get updates of new versions and stuff like that. You can also leave questions or comments there if you don't have an account on this site.

Prerelease alpha versions of Pawn are occasionally available on CurseForge.

Getting started

If you're new to Pawn, don't worry—Pawn will automatically set itself up to give you advice based on math done by the experts at Ask Mr. Robot. Just watch for Pawn's green arrows. If you decide you want to go further, there are a lot of ways that you can customize Pawn, by tracking multiple specs at once, importing custom stat weights, and more.

Found a bug?

If you think you might have found a bug, just leave a comment here. In addition to a description of the problem, please make sure to include: (1) the language that you use Pawn and WoW in, (2) the specific items that don't work as expected, and (3) your class and spec if you're using the built-in (not custom) stat weights. Screenshots are usually very helpful as well.

Incompatible with...

Pawn will not work with Titan Panel Artifact Power or Combat Numbers Separator. Those addons change item tooltips and will cause Pawn to give bad advice.

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bezat22
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Posted Jun 10, 2018
Could you please add the option to add custom values for sockets, please? This way I could use the value I got from SimulationCraft, multiply it with the gem I want to use next and get a better result. Some time ago Pawn supported sockets, why is that not so anymore?

In addition, I want Pawn to always treat the item with the highest item level as the best and only consider stat weights if the item is one of them. I know that the end results are kind of inefficient this way, but it seems that most people instantly judge my skills through my item level and it would make searching through my bags for the item I want a lot more easy. I would really appreciate it if you would build in an option for that.

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VgerAN
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Posted Jun 11, 2018
In reply to bezat22:

Hi! Thanks for the suggestions. Having an option to primarily use item level and then only use stat weights as a tiebreaker is interesting; I'll have to think about it. It kind of defeats the point for most of Pawn's features—you get the arrow icons on items to show up just based on item level without Pawn (or with Pawn, if you go into Pawn's options). But I agree that item level is more important these days for reasons that don't involve your character's performance.

It's true that Pawn used to have the option to let you manually set the value of gems, but I got rid of it as Pawn's socketing logic became smarter and started suggesting different gems based on the item's level. It was a feature that almost no one used because it was such a pain in the butt. Can you tell me more about a situation where Pawn is suggesting one type of gem for you and SimulationCraft (based on the same stat weights) is suggesting a different one? Is it just that the item isn't a very high level, and SC is suggesting that you put the very best gem in, and Pawn is saying not to bother wasting the gold, maybe?

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Posted Jun 13, 2018
Also, maybe it would be a nice idea to In reply to VgerAN:

I am not quite sure if we both talk about the same thing with gems. I really like the fact that Pawn suggest gems based on item levels so I do not waste gold. What I mean is that I want Pawn to calculate gems into the value it displays in the item tooltip and this way as arrow on the icon itself. Have I missed something and Pawn is already doing this?

Secondly, maybe it would be useful to build in an option to always turn the consideration of item levels for gems on/off. I personally would not turn it off, but I guess that there are some people out there who always want to use the best gems possible and it is pointlessly labor intensive to type in an item level manually for each item if you always want to do it like that. In addition, if Pawn calculates gems into item values, an option like that would make the arrow hints more accurate for these people.

Thirdly, at least with a german client, Pawn is not able to calculate values for items which have abilities like: "Your auto hits have the chance to... blah". Although I think it is necessary to teach Pawn treating these items profoundly, calculating a value based only on item level for items like that could be a compromise between "all or nothing".

Fourthly, I have one more idea: Maybe you want to build in the same support Pawn offers for gems also for enchantments?

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Posted Jun 13, 2018
In reply to bezat22:

Yeah, sounds like there's just a communication. No problem! Thanks for sticking with me. :)

Pawn uses the stat value of the suggested gem(s) for a given item as part of the item's value. (One trick I use a lot is to put the same item into both sides of the Compare tab when I just want to see how Pawn is calculating things.) And if you don't want Pawn to consider gems at all until you get to the level cap, there's an option "Ignore sockets on low-level items" that you can enable.

Pawn doesn't do the same thing for enchantments because, except when you upgrade an item to one from a later expansion, you'd generally use the same enchantment as the item you're replacing, so it doesn't change anything about which item is an upgrade to another. For example, if your necklace used Mark of the Feral Unicorn, you'd probably also use Mark of the Feral Unicorn on the new one. In contrast, not all items have sockets, so it's important to take them into account.

It's true that Pawn can't calculate a fair value for items with special effects like the ones you mention. Luckily, in currently-relevant content, that really only comes up with legendaries (which are such a high level that they're better anyway) and trinkets (which Pawn doesn't even bother trying to evaluate). I'm definitely considering making it so that Pawn will just say something like "+5 item levels" on trinkets (like it does for relics)! I agree that that's better than nothing at all, especially since Pawn kind of trains you to ignore items that don't have an arrow.

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Posted Jun 6, 2018
Pawn is adding the Best Value Coins image to a quest reward that is worth 14 silver, when the other reward is worth 81 silver, if the in-game tooltip is to be believed.

Weirdly, Wowhead shows [Headguard of the Innocent] as having a value of 22s 7c. but that is still more than [Thal'darah's Pendant] at 14s 84c.

I also notice there is no way to disable the best value feature without also disabling the upgrade feature on quest rewards. so, Feature Request! :)

EDIT: Actually. it's wrong for a lot of quests...

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Posted Jun 7, 2018
In reply to Fogger:

Hi! Thanks for the report. The last time I looked into that, I believe it was happening because the game was telling Pawn the wrong value for those items (it was giving the value at level 1 or level 60 or something like that). I think that when I checked it was fixed in 8.0, but if not, I'll see what I can do. (It is pretty strange that a necklace would ever be worth more than a helmet of the same level.) Unfortunately, in the meantime, I think your best bet is just to ignore the coins icons and double-check before choosing your reward. :-/

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Posted Jun 10, 2018
In reply to Fogger:

I noticed this kind of mistake, too.

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Posted Jun 5, 2018
Posted 1 min ago

i got a lua bug on my holy pala

using:

pawn 2.2.18

with the auto spec thing

and in english

lua error report:

Message: Interface\AddOns\Pawn\Pawn.lua:1118: Attempt to access forbidden object from code tainted by an AddOn
Time: 06/05/18 17:56:41
Count: 23
Stack: Interface\AddOns\Pawn\Pawn.lua:1118: Attempt to access forbidden object from code tainted by an AddOn
[C]: ?
[C]: in function `GetItem'
Interface\AddOns\Pawn\Pawn.lua:1118: in function `PawnGetItemLinkFromTooltip'
Interface\AddOns\Pawn\Pawn.lua:1231: in function `PawnUpdateTooltip'
Interface\AddOns\Pawn\Pawn.lua:201: in function <Interface\AddOns\Pawn\Pawn.lua:201>
[C]: in function `SetBagItem'
Interface\FrameXML\ContainerFrame.lua:1325: in function `ContainerFrameItemButton_OnEnter'
[string "*:OnEnter"]:1: in function <[string "*:OnEnter"]:1>

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Message: Interface\AddOns\Pawn\Pawn.lua:1118: Attempt to access forbidden object from code tainted by an AddOn
Time: 06/05/18 17:56:41
Count: 6
Stack: Interface\AddOns\Pawn\Pawn.lua:1118: Attempt to access forbidden object from code tainted by an AddOn
[C]: ?
[C]: in function `GetItem'
Interface\AddOns\Pawn\Pawn.lua:1118: in function `PawnGetItemLinkFromTooltip'
Interface\AddOns\Pawn\Pawn.lua:1231: in function `PawnUpdateTooltip'
Interface\AddOns\Pawn\Pawn.lua:201: in function <Interface\AddOns\Pawn\Pawn.lua:201>
[C]: in function `SetBagItem'
Interface\FrameXML\ContainerFrame.lua:1325: in function `UpdateTooltip'
Interface\FrameXML\GameTooltip.lua:344: in function <Interface\FrameXML\GameTooltip.lua:328>

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VgerAN
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Posted Jun 5, 2018
In reply to liloso123:

Hi! Unfortunately problems like that with "taint" can be really tough to track down, and often the addon that's causing the issue isn't obvious. If you play with just Pawn enabled for a while, you should see that that error doesn't occur. From there, you can start enabling addons one or a few at a time until you find the one that causes that to start happening again—I'd pay special attention to anything that deals with items or tooltips, either by skinning them or adding additional information. I hope that helps!

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Posted May 21, 2018
Hey there, pawn keeps spamming my chat with stats and upgrades. I installed Ask Mr. Robot, could that be causing it?

Just unistalled, then re-installed, no more issues. LOL

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Posted May 21, 2018
In reply to Cisco79:

Hi! It sounds like you might have accidentally turned on the "Show debug info" option—if you ever see that stuff again, make sure that that's not checked in Pawn's Options tab. Hope that helps!

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Posted May 18, 2018
Hi VgerAN,

Love your Pawn addon.

I'm a bit confused in Pawn regarding gear item lvls; a) what is accurate, the ilvl stated on the pc itself or the ilvl stated in the "compare screen" and b) I noticed several heirloom gear items do not show an ilvl in the compare screen?

Thank you!

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Posted May 18, 2018
In reply to jandreska:

Hi! Can you give me an example of a time when the ilvl on the item is different from the one you see on the Compare tab in Pawn? The one on the item should be correct. (Well, they should both be correct.)

Heirloom items are a little weird, and the game reports their item level to addons as being 0 or 1 even when it's much higher. Pawn knows that 0 and 1 aren't the right item levels so it just doesn't show anything.

I know that last time I checked, there was a bug in WoW where it was telling addons the wrong item levels for items that scale, so maybe both problems are the same bug, but I'm not sure.

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Posted May 24, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

This is just one example of what I see from the "Compare Screen" in Pawn:

Gear: Relinked Chain Boots (green) vs Greenhorn's Footguards of the Fireflash (blue)

Item itself states ilvl 19 Item itself states ilvl 27

Compare shows ilvl 14 Compare shows ilvl 43

I hope this gets my point across.

Thax

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Posted Jun 1, 2018
In reply to jandreska:

Thanks for the info! Hmmm, I haven't leveled any characters through the new 1-100 experience since they introduced scaling. I think you're probably running into the same game bug I was referring to earlier, since those are low-level items and must be scaled. I'd say for now, just ignore anything Pawn says about item level (at least until you're 110). If Blizzard doesn't fix that in 8.0 then I'll work around the problem and just read the level off the tooltip, and then Pawn can get the right information it needs.

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Posted Jun 2, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

Thanks for the feedback response.

Take care.

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Posted Apr 30, 2018
When importing custom scales, could you please add a status report (either in chat, or in the Pawn window) that shows the "before import" and "after import" scales side-by-side? This is needed especially when it's an update for an already-existing custom scale.

Each time that i import scales from AskMrRobot i have to make a note of the previous scale values just to check what's changed.

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Posted May 2, 2018
In reply to Adrian_G2:

Thanks for the feedback! That's a cool idea; I'll take a note of it. I probably won't get to any more Pawn development before the BfA prepatch, but it probably wouldn't be too hard to do.

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Posted Apr 25, 2018
Not sure where to post this, but It tells me Error: per-character options for this Character and scale were missing. it says that for the Priest, Shaman, Warrior, Warlock, and Rogue.

Please Help. Thank you very much

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Posted Apr 25, 2018
In reply to karsiani24867:

Hi! Does that still happen if you log into those characters with just Pawn enabled and no other addons?

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