I'll see what I can do for the Vanilla Launcher install they have now on the fabric wiki/download for Fabric Modloader now. I'll try putting a tutorial out once I work it out.

 One Vanilla Fabric Modloader Tutorial uploaded:

 1.13 has 0 mods that can be maintained, because rift is dead, and can not be revived unless you want a lawsuit. Whatever can be revived, is already revived in fabric.

And overall we have more mods on 1.14 at this point. Probably 1 month, and we'll have fully fledged magic and tech mods. (2 original tech mods, and at least 1 magic mods are being worked on)

FABRIC HAS BEEN OUT FOR 1 WEEK EVEN IF ITS HAD MANY MODS COME TO IT, AND ITS THE NEXT THING FOR MODS AND YOU THINK RIFT IS DEAD WHAT LOGIC IS THAT?

I see no reason to jump to Fabric even though I support both Rift & Fabric and update MCFORUMS Threads about both daily.

Rift MCForum Thread:

Fabric MCForum Thread:

Unless you want to test out mods. That's my opinion at least for Fabric's state the moment, Fabric is great don't get me wrong, but 1.13/1.13.2 with Rift has VoxelMap, AEI, World-Info, and more great mods. Fabric has many but you can't do much with them other than test them out or play with a few of them like OneProbe, WAYLA, Gamemode Numbers, Better Together and a few others but most aren't great if you don't know the recipes (if they have recipes yet) and no configs. You can have survival LPs with Rift 1.13 at this point, not so much with 1.13.2 but its possible still, just not as easy but it is possible nonetheless. And Datapacks are enough for anyone with 1.13/1.13.2 and 1.14 alongside Rift or Fabric mods.

Fabric mods are fine, Rift mods are fine, but for more to get out of them and close to Liteloader or Forge levels of fun. Rift or Datapacks is the way to go. Fabric to me at least is a test environment still, especially due to it being for SNAPSHOTs, I'd not recommend it unless people want testers or to give Fabric a go, but not for survivals you do long term no. Rift's mods aren't all stable either, I can't get a 1.13 Rift Survival LP going sometimes for certain mods (AETHER LEGACY ALPHA) but otherwise most of them are fun and great to use.

Have you seen Rift 1.13.2 mods, have you seen Rift Mod List that has been updated in the last 4 days.

Have you seen Better Together mod for 1.13.2 by the Rift Modloader 1.13.2 Maintainer (even if Better Together is for 1.14 Fabric I know).

Have you seen the Aether Legacy Rift Edition Alpha for 1.13.2 that came out a week ago but I missed it since it was on Github not minecraft.curseforge.com when mentioning on the RIFT DISCUSSION THREAD I UPDATE ALL THE TIME ABOUT MODS UPDATING, mod spotlights I do or anything about Rift going on, even other minor things sometimes like bug fixes/configs or whatever else, but very infrequently.

Rift has gotten less mod updates in a way 'yes' you aren't wrong there, but just because Fabric exists doesn't mean it is Dead, but its still doing fine. I thought a while ago it was dead with the lack of updates from many mods after a few weeks, but after the mods that had come since its yes nearing its end at the time period, but its far from dead yet after its boost in mods that have come out for it that I have been detailing since I thought it was dead.

Just wait, not everything from Rift is going to Fabric anyways, once I see that then I'll agree, but for now, Rift is fine for its current state.

I hate when people say 'this is dead' when its just ending soon, its not DEAD, just wait it out, a few days or so and things will happen or other 'Rift' focused places will have stuff coming up or things to say I have no knowledge of the state of like the Rift Discord since I haven't visited it but I still have things to detail on my Rift MCForums thread.

If its been 4 days since a Rift mod (Rift Mod List) has updated 'it isn't dead yet' if its been weeks or months then its dead. TESLA POWER API is dead (dead since 2017 and mods that were behind it have switched to RF & FE, but still have Tesla support just don't name themselves after Tesla anymore) and I know it is 'UP UNTIL 1.13 FORGE the TESLA POWER AP is in a state that doesn't need any more maintaining at this point until 1.13 when its relevance will need updating, but for now its in 'dead or not need of maintaining right now', but I still use it from time to time because there are a few mods I don't mind still using with it, Rift is not dead yet. Fabric has been out a week anyways, how is Rift dead if Fabric just started publicly and Rift's 'relevance' period is still there its just slow on new mods, so what? Other versions of Minecraft aren't as important anymore for mods, but people still make mods for 1.7.10, and those versions in-between 1.12.2 and 1.7.10, people play the version they want, the mods/community content that want and that's that. Answer me that because I don't get that. Fabric is a niche for testers at the moment but is still open to anyone, Rift is a big niche in comparison that is more stable but it depends on the mods you use and has more mods to use for '1.13 Ready' state than Fabric.

You could be right about the tech and magic mods, since I don't know the source of that information so I can't comment on that but I don't really know what's possible compared to the scale of other tech and magic mods that 'usually' only come out for FORGE due to what FORGE provides, Fabric and Rift don't have those big scaled capabilities. For those that don't need Forge, like how Datapacks with Tech or Magic are doing then I can agree with it being possible with Fabric or Rift compared to what Datapacks do that Rift or Fabric can do over them or that Datapacks can't do. But for NOW at least people have only DATAPACKS for 1.13 or 1.14 with Tech and Magic, Mechanization, tech datapack, Wizardry or Magic Dusts, both magic datapacks that are great to use.

Did I have to respond at all, technically no, but as I update info on both Rift & Fabric daily, as I test mods for either daily, as I am bored with 1.12.2 and not tried 1.13, 1.14 or datapacks even before, and not just for 'trending reasons' I thought I'd do so, since I'd literally quit the game if it weren't for these opportunities coming up because I thought it was interesting and its fun for me right now. 'DEAD' isn't 'no updates since 4 days ago' I find the 'statement' a load of nonsense and overexaggerated if the 'evidence' isn't hard to find not just for mods on Curse but even reddit/discord, anything going on there, the communication on them is still there.

Look I only meant my response in the sense of just because Fabric exists doesn't mean its dead, people use whatever they want so who cares. I didn't mean to talk too big, not intentionally. Opportunities are for those that want to use them whether they are dead, alive, little on maintaining in state. I use any version of the game, even 1.2.5 for mods if I'm bored because I just feel like it if I'm bored with any, not just 1.12.2 mainstream mods but even lesser known mods I've supported and used in the past; I can play anything to find something else to do or else I'd have ditched the game by now. If it wasn't for 1.13 or 1.14 I'd actually have ditched the game already. My two reasons for 1.13 & 1.14 is for boredom with 1.12.2 and because I wanted to move forward, and that 1.13 Rift/1.14 Fabric isn't understood by the average person and if they want to use them/test out more for Fabric they can, if they don't want to with the offers they find, its up to them since obvious I have with the MCForums threads.

NOW for 1.13's 'relevance period' yes you are correct it is pointless, if you mean in general I don't know, any possibility is a good possibility to me at least just because I play any version of the game, any mod and find fun in them. I know that sounds dumb. But even testing 1.14 mods I find it fun even if its tedious or can be supportive. But I don't disagree with you though, your are correct. Still Fabric will be pointless once 1.14 Forge comes out so it will become pointless to. I've already been through similar with Tesla Power API or past Forge versions lack of relevance, it didn't need to exist because RF or FE exist now and were going to anyways, but it has mod support for it and it may or may not come to 1.13, but the options are there if people wish to use them for versions 1.9 to 1.12.2.

To me though, I think 1.13 was only needed as a point to get to Fabric even though its now just something in-between yes. That or a possibility if players/devs wanted to experience it/make mods for it, they didn't have to make mods for it. Datapacks could be the only thing we need instead of 1.13 or 1.14 mods technically we don't need Rift or Fabric mods unless devs want to move their mods forward, or they wait for 1.13/1.14 Forge which they are for the big mods and Forge's capabilities. I know I'm a player so I don't know much about such features they have compared to a Developer I'm well aware of that. But the ones they don't have to or if they want to test Fabric's environment they clearly can/are. NOW 1.13 has little purpose for devs NOW yes, but for players if they are comfortable with it then its up to them.

As Liteloader sticks with 1.12.2 and I wasn't sure if people using mixins had the possibility for 1.13 or people would both with 1.13 as I'm a player not a developer so I know little about what goes behind these things obviously.

Rift just gave people options with 1.13 if they wished to take them they didn't have to, devs didn't have to make 1.13 mods but they chose to waste their time making mods for it or chose to put their mods forward, their ideas forward with the 1.13 new features even to create new mods.

Fabric I feel is the same for 1.14, we don't need to have mods for snapshots or release versions for 1.13 or 1.14, but the possibility is there and developers are taking it clearly. 1.13 isn't necessary now I know, but if people want mods or datapacks as mod like content for 1.13 they can, they don't have to. I agree that for stability, mature modpacks/mods people should go to 1.12.2, I don't deny that, and for experimental 1.14 is the way to go.

1.13 maybe pointless since 1.13 Forge will come, but once 1.14 Forge comes is Fabric pointless? Technically it will be, so what's the point of Fabric then? I'm not questioning it if I know it will happen, but if I wanted to have fun in 1.13 or 1.14 now I will with Rift or Fabric because I choose to.

But 1.13 was what was relevant before 1.14 and before Fabric so how is it pointless just because 1.13 Forge will come, and 1.14 Forge will come and Fabric will be pointless? I have thought that far don't worry, it is NOW but wasn't before.

You make some good points I can't deny that, I do have more reasons I'd agree with, but due to me playing anything and enjoying possibilities like I did with Tesla, I didn't need to use it, I just wanted to, I could use RF mods (or more so around the time I did wait for the proper RF API to come out), but if possibilities exist because people put their time out for it, they did so because they wanted to even if it was pointless. They didn't have to.

Maybe I'm just open to anything even if its niche, dead/not maintained, or got something I can get behind even if for a bit which is sort of my problem I know XD.

But since I've played enough 1.12.2 already and got bored I moved on to 1.13 and 1.14 and even testing 1.14 to help out and for fun. I don't have to. I don't have to waste my time detailing MCForums info about 1.13 Rift or 1.14 Fabric I just wanted to for the sake of 'possibilities' and information giving of Rift or Fabric's existence and if people want them until 1.13 Forge that's up to them. Its up to the player and the devs after all.

We technically don't need in-between Forge versions and only need the end versions of a Minecraft version for Forge (example 1.10, 1.11, 1.12 Forge over 1.10.2, 1.11.2, 1.12.2) we don't need them now but they did then, and for some people some mods don't move away from those versions and if people play on those versions it's their problem if its a Forge Beta still and things go under or they care to play those mods, they don't have to.

Your points aren't wrong, but unlike other things, if the existence is reachable or someone finds something they can enjoy it for, why not. Its not like other games where you can't go back to older updates or things are lost forever or other situations. I see reason in looking forward yes, but people don't always have to, there is a lot to enjoy from the past or in-between. You can customise it however you want and that's fine to me.

Anyways, keep up the great mods. :) Sorry if I talk too much or didn't need to say as much as I did/at all besides even some of these things being obvious in the future, present, past, but maybe my optimise is a bit too much sometimes and I'm ok with looking forward but I don't hate what came before I find something to do with it. But still, who says something is dead without researching 'mod was updated 4 days ago' or 'a forum thread detailing stuff on it is literally daily.' Which no one else bothered to do and its a good information HUB if people want it, they can skip it and I'm ok with that. But the views on that thread show if people were or weren't interested or not as well as the Youtube videos on Rift and Fabric besides the fact that these can be seen as 'trending chances' but to me since I did this for the sake of letting people know rather than caring about views or trends as I don't care about those things, I care about 'possibilities of the time' or 'fun'. That to me is just silly to state 'something is dead' after how long of time is it until its 'legit dead' XD. I say if I know nothing about it, but as I literally update info on Rift & Fabric DAILY I found the points they made not to be wrong but some parts a bit silly if you look at certain details. Nothing more. Just my opinion on the matter, don't disagree with everything either of you have said as you have some valid points that I can't no agree with in my mind.

Fair enough. I'll leave this here for later.

Yes we don't what will happen, but either way, I'm just speculating due to what people could be considering rather than actuality.

I can see either being as good as Liteloader to go with if they choose to, but knowing how people stick with the big and few care to jump at things (either due to what works for them or if its got enough reason to bring them over due to people caring about familiarity, not that either is a bad thing) like the RF/Tesla situation as my only experience since I haven't noticed this will other versions of the game whether or other reasons for people to jump at things (again probably due to for Devs the possibilities things have, or for players that support/familiarity of it), (not just because it uses Mixins) as modding alternatives though.

Fabric is an interesting tool even though literally Fabric, Rift (also had a snapshot phase) & Liteloader all use Mixin but are vastly different beyond that obviously more than I can tell since I'm no developer. But yes lots of mods are for Fabric now and hopefully translate between Forge and Fabric (more so considering those on Fabric that come to Forge over the ones available with Forge that were re-worked for Fabric, if those devs consider the need to of course). Yes Fabric is very light-weight which is a good thing but it obviously does determine what the dev really needs at least for their mod or the ideas they come up, which isn't too tough, but yeah having either though would be good, but if Liteloader comes out who knows whether its relevant to keep it going forward or to ignore Fabric. Who knows obviously, it will be a while until the happens for 1.14 modding options but still I'm just keeping an open mind for now.

Yeah I have noticed the differences between Datapacks and Mods and Datapacks focus/limitations over Mods, was even going to make a video on it but dropped the idea/dropped the need to upload it. They are pretty bad but for an 'in-between' approach of Vanilla, Datapacks & Mods I find them interesting, but I don't deny they are pretty bad and can be a tad annoying at times for recipes or functions over mods superior benefits. Still the ideas for them while similar to mods have been good like Mechnization for tech, and Wizardry or Magic Dusts for magic as no one has made an for 1.13/1.14 yet even for their capabilities because someone just hasn't yet, not that its not possible, even the small mods that jump at new versions usually, but still, while datapacks aren't great for what they have, the 'capabilities' for some have surprised me with the chat for stating power units and wireless machine connectivity or mimicking it probably, compared to the more interfaced or more impressive mod ways of doing things. I see reasons they exist, as I believe with 'limitations' there is new ways of doing things, its not the 'greatest' way to approach things but new ideas do lead to new directions and for the 'limitations' they are average and awkward but interesting none the less to me at least, but I yes do prefer mods no matter what offers they have even if I am a tech person over a magic, and quality of life mods or tweaks I do enjoy. Again my optimism.