Pawn

Last Updated: Jul 17, 2018 Game Version: 8.0.1

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Owner: VgerAN

Pawn helps you find upgrades for your gear and tell which of two items is better for your spec. Start with built-in advice from Ask Mr. Robot, or customize Pawn's stat weights to have it suggest items based on your favorite class guide or simulator. Pawn can help you decide whether it's better to use the cloak with 500 mastery or the one with 450 crit—whether you're just starting out, or you're an advanced player who plans out gear upgrades and regularly simulates and evaluates performance.

Language support

Pawn works with English, French, German, Italian, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish (European and Latin American), Simplified Chinese, and Traditional Chinese. Unlike most addons, Pawn's language has to match the language you play WoW in.

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Prerelease alpha versions of Pawn are occasionally available on CurseForge.

Getting started

If you're new to Pawn, don't worry—Pawn will automatically set itself up to give you advice based on math done by the experts at Ask Mr. Robot. Just watch for Pawn's green arrows. If you decide you want to go further, there are a lot of ways that you can customize Pawn, by tracking multiple specs at once, importing custom stat weights, and more.

Found a bug?

If you think you might have found a bug, just leave a comment here. In addition to a description of the problem, please make sure to include: (1) the language that you use Pawn and WoW in, (2) the specific items that don't work as expected, and (3) your class and spec if you're using the built-in (not custom) stat weights. Screenshots are usually very helpful as well.

Incompatible with...

Pawn will not work with Titan Panel Artifact Power or Combat Numbers Separator. Those addons change item tooltips and will cause Pawn to give bad advice.

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VgerAN
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Posted Jan 16, 2018
In reply to Katmandu26a:

Another thing you can do to be really sure where the problem lies is to temporarily disable your bag addon, and see if the problem still occurs. If you still see the green arrows on the wrong rings, then it's probably a Pawn problem. If you don't, then it's probably a problem with the bag addon. I probably have just said that instead of my previous long-ass post. :)

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Posted Jan 17, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

Nope. Not the bag addon. Thanks for looking in to this, too. The time and effort is certainly appreciated.

Link so you can see the whole full screenshot: https://imgur.com/GPr9CJi

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Posted Jan 17, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

I'm replying in a second post with additional info. After your suggestion to disable an addon, I went through my addons one by one until I found the culprits, and there are two.

When I disabled Tradeskillinfo, the ring was no longer flagged but these pants were:

When I disabled Tradeskillmaster, the pants were no longer flagged.

It seems to be picking up something from the tradeskill addons.

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Posted Jan 17, 2018
In reply to Katmandu26a:

Thanks for the info! That's helpful. I've downloaded those and a couple plugins, and I'll see if I can reproduce the problem myself.

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Posted Jan 18, 2018
In reply to Katmandu26a:

Hmmm, I haven't able to reproduce the problem even with those addons. This is just on lower-level pre-Legion stuff where you're seeing it happen? What happens when you try to put one of the items that's incorrectly showing a green arrow in the upper-right corner of Pawn's Compare tab... does Pawn show the correct stats and item level there, for both the equipped item and the bad upgrade?

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Posted Jan 19, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

I tried it with the comparison window and the window itself is showing them as it should. However, it is showing an upgrade for a 915 item in my bags that isn't an upgrade, so it's not just old items.

Based on your response, I disabled all of my addons except Tradeskillmaster, Tradeskillinfo and Pawn, and I could still see the unwanted arrows. With TSM disabled, they showed properly - even with Tradeskillinfo installed by itself.

I also tried it with just TSM and not its additional addons, ie, mailing, auctioning, destroying, etc, and it made no difference. I was still getting the additional arrows.

Again, thank you very much for looking in to this.

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Posted Feb 1, 2018
Katmandu26a and I have been talking over private messages, and the current beta of Pawn 2.2.18 has a series of fixes that seem to have eliminated this problem. If you're seeing something similar, feel free to use that beta version, or just update to the final release version when it comes out in a few days.

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Posted Dec 31, 2017
Germans TooltipRelicUpgradeAnnotation is buggy.

Text has to many backslashes.

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Posted Jan 5, 2018
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Thanks\for\the\heads\up\! I just released an update that should fix this problem.

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Posted Dec 29, 2017
I have been switching between gear and decided to see how pawn would react. At 40% crit and the rest below 20% pawn still values crit the highest, that can't be right? https://imgur.com/a/ptm9M

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Posted Dec 29, 2017
In reply to woodenhut:

Hi! The stat weights that come with Pawn are based on Ask Mr. Robot's simulations on what an average character of that class and spec with average gear and talents would need. So, they don't change based on what you're currently wearing. (This makes things a bit simpler to understand, and also has the benefit of preventing some really weird situations like one pair of pants being a 5% upgrade, so then you equip them, but then your crit drops a couple percentage points and now you need more crit, and now the pants you just took off are an upgrade over the pants you just put on.)

But, it also of course means that the advice isn't as accurate as it could be. For better, more accurate advice, you might want to switch Pawn over to Manual mode on the Scale tab, and then you can import a new set of stat weights that are custom to your specific character and gear. You can copy and paste custom weights from the Ask Mr. Robot website, certain spec guides, simulators, and other sources—many even have things that look like ( Pawn: v1: ... ) that you can copy right into Pawn. Once you do that, you'll get more accurate advice that's tailored to you. But with the downside that you'll have to occasionally remember to refresh it and import again.

I hope that helps!

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Posted Dec 25, 2017
Are relic upgrades still working?

I don't see upgrade tooltip info on world quests anymore, and when relic in bag is an upgrade, there is green arrow but no tooltip note.

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Posted Dec 26, 2017
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Hi! I saw relic upgrade info working on a relic I just bought from the guy in the Vindicaar just a few minutes ago, both the bag arrow and the tooltip. I can check world quests again; I've only been using Angry World Quests lately and not the basic UI.

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Posted Dec 26, 2017
I tried it out without Angry World Quests just now and I was able to see relic upgrade arrows for my alt on world quests normally. If this is a new PC that you haven't used Pawn on before, make sure that you Shift-Right-Click each of your artifacts once so that Pawn knows what relics are in them. (But if you're seeing arrows on bags, you should see them on tooltips too.)

If that doesn't help, you can disable all of your other addons except Pawn, and then reload your UI, and then verify that the arrows are working correctly. Then, you can start re-enabling addons one or a few at a time until you identify the one that's causing the feature to stop working.

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Posted Dec 26, 2017
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Hi VgerAN,

After some testing, its seems when option "Align values to right edge of tooltip" in enabled, tooltip upgrade information for relics disappears. Seems OK for other items though.

Thanks.

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Posted Dec 27, 2017
In reply to Gridspace:

Oh, thanks; nice job finding that! I should be able to get a fix out really soon.

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Posted Dec 27, 2017
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Pawn version 2.2.17 has a fix for this. Thanks for your help in narrowing down the problem!

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Posted Dec 28, 2017
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Awesome thanks for the quick fix, appreciate it :D

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Posted Dec 21, 2017
can you tell me why ask mr robot tells me to use diff gear than pawn does ?

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Posted Dec 22, 2017
In reply to randylreeves:

Hi! I replied to your photo comment on Facebook. But just in case anyone else is curious what my response was:

Hi! Short answer: settings. Long answer: Mr. Robot and Pawn take different approaches to evaluating gear. Mr. Robot can produce fine-tuned advice that's customized for your specific character and the way you like to play. Pawn comes with a set of defaults from Mr. Robot that work well with "average" characters in average situations, and it's extremely customizable, but the defaults it comes with won't be as accurate as what you can get from Mr. Robot—it just wouldn't be possible for Pawn to do those kinds of calculations in-game because it would completely destroy your framerate.

So you have three main choices:

1. Mr. Robot website—most accurate, less convenient
2. Mr. Robot (or any other) custom stat weights imported into Pawn—pretty accurate, not as convenient
3. Pawn's default stat weights from Mr. Robot—less accurate, super convenient

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