Pawn

Last Updated: Feb 17, 2019 Game Version: 8.1.0

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Owner: VgerAN

Pawn helps you find upgrades for your gear and tell which of two items is better for your spec. Start with built-in advice from Ask Mr. Robot, or customize Pawn's stat weights to have it suggest items based on your favorite class guide or simulator. Pawn can help you decide whether it's better to use the cloak with 100 mastery or the one with 80 crit—whether you're just starting out, or you're an advanced player who plans out gear upgrades and regularly simulates and evaluates performance.

Language support

Pawn works with English, French, German, Italian, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish (European and Latin American), Simplified Chinese, and Traditional Chinese. Unlike most addons, Pawn's language has to match the language you play WoW in.

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Prerelease alpha versions of Pawn are occasionally available on CurseForge.

Getting started

If you're new to Pawn, don't worry—Pawn will automatically set itself up to give you advice based on math done by the experts at Ask Mr. Robot. Just watch for Pawn's green arrows. If you decide you want to go further, there are a lot of ways that you can customize Pawn, by tracking multiple specs at once, importing custom stat weights, and more.

Found a bug?

If you think you might have found a bug, just leave a comment here. In addition to a description of the problem, please make sure to include: (1) the language that you use Pawn and WoW in, (2) the specific items that don't work as expected, and (3) your class and spec if you're using the built-in (not custom) stat weights. Screenshots are usually very helpful as well.

Incompatible with...

Pawn will not work with Titan Panel Artifact Power or Combat Numbers Separator. Those addons change item tooltips and will cause Pawn to give bad advice. It's also been reported that using Pawn with TradeSkillMaster can cause the game to crash or hang.

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VgerAN
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Posted Oct 31, 2018
In reply to Radoznali:

Hi! Yeah, it seems like that's something I should probably do. Do you have a favorite spot that gives numeric weights to Azerite traits? I've personally been looking mostly at Icy-Veins, but those guides don't give numbers, just general rankings.

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Posted Nov 1, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

I am using in game addon called Azeriteforge and its get its weights from https://www.herodamage.com/. but also wowhead has ranking with dmg per sec. raidbots also does sims for azerite traits .

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Posted Nov 18, 2018
In reply to Radoznali:

Thanks for the tip!

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Posted Oct 28, 2018
I don't have any issue with Pawn and Tradeskillmaster, and haven't all BfA. I think it is a combination of TSM, Pawn, and something else, but I don't have the something else installed.

Anyway, my issue is that Pawn keeps telling me (much) lower item level gear are upgrades. If I get an item that is 10-25 item levels lower than my equipped piece, Pawn gives me the up arrow telling me it is better. Clearly, this is not true. It often isn't true when the item is a mere 5 item levels lower, given the item level squish in BfA. It is also possible that Pawn is not telling me when an item is higher item level than my equipped piece that is an upgrade, meaning the opposite could be true as well, but this is infrequent.

I play on enUS locale, Vengeance Demon Hunter, although talking with my guild mates, they are seeing the same results on other classes and talent specs.

It is one thing when newly acquired gear is +/- 5 item levels, which might require simulation to make sure; it is quite different when gear is vastly lower. Is there a way Pawn can either ignore items >= 10 item levels lower, or point out an upgrade if the item is >= 10 higher?

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Posted Oct 31, 2018
In reply to myrroddin:

Hi! Thanks for the feedback, and detailed language/spec information. I've gotten comments throughout BfA that the stat weights that I get from Ask Mr. Robot are questionable, and I'd like to get to the bottom of it. Right now I'm not plugged-in enough to high-end raiding to know if it's really true that some secondary stats are just vastly better for some specs than others, and therefore AMR is right and those crazy situations where a much lower-ilvl item is indeed better, or if it's just a problem with the weights over- or under-valuing some stats. I do know that at times in the past, it's indeed been the case that the stats were wildly unbalanced, and that's one of the reasons I made Pawn to begin with.

Ideally I'd like to solve the problem one of two ways: (1) either get better weights if necessary, or (2) still let you know when a much-lower-ilvl item is better, but indicate in some other way that the higher-ilvl one is still good to toss in the bank for your ilvl rating.

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Posted Nov 14, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

I could be wrong, but I don't think the weights are the issue. I'd have to test a lot more to make sure. I say that because the weights on a 320 gear piece seem fine, as do weights on a 355 in the same slot. The trouble is that the stats probably are different. Let's say on my Vengeance DH the 320 has Haste and Mastery, while the 355 has Crit and Versatility. Because of the stat budget, the 355 is better, even if for VDH the Haste and Mastery are priorities over Crit and Vers.

This is because there is significantly more Crit and Vers than there is Haste and Mastery, and a lot more primary stat (or Stamina for rings).

Now, I am talking about VDHs here, but the principle applies to all classes and specs, which is why I suggested a +/- 10 iLevel cutoff. Between primary stats and the stat budget for the secondaries, there is no possible way a 320 can outperform a 330+; likewise a 330+ will always outperform a 320 or lower.

Truth be told, I barely glance at the suggested stat priorities on sites like Wowhead and Icy-Veins, because while they are decent guides, they have to assume you have BiS everything, including your Azerite pieces and raid gear. For the vast majority of players, that isn't true. Instead, I always sim my actual character, and surprise, surprise, the sim always tells me that I need more of some stat that is NOT my "priority". Usually because I am lacking that stat, and I have too much of the "priority". I'm not gaining benefit for having more "priority" stats because of breakpoints, and I need a lot more of other "lesser" stats.

tl;dr: Nothing wrong with your stat weights or sims, other than they are generic and don't apply to 99.99999999% of the player base. Do your own sims. And iLevel matters.

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Posted Nov 20, 2018
In reply to myrroddin:

Have you ever considered that issues might be how addons are seeing ilv of items?I havent seen this behaiour much in Pawn but i use Zygor addon and it often tells me that some lower ilv item is better but i should still use it,but its clearly that if you check actual ilv of item addon is basicly seein lowest version of item and not actual version of item i have in my bag.

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Posted Nov 26, 2018
In reply to Radoznali:

Yeah, I have both Zygor and Pawn. As an experiment, I used my AMR stat weights and did some math. The first item is a 340 ring that says it is a 30% upgrade over the second, which is a 355.

iLevel 340 ring
stam = 10,261.81
crit = 6417.46
vers = 12,359.61
total = 29,038.88

iLevel 355 ring
stam = 12,069.59
crit = 6696.48
mast = 3496.27
total = 22,262.34

This means, by the numbers, that yes, the 340 is better than the 355. That's totally weird.

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Posted Nov 26, 2018
In reply to myrroddin:

I guess depends on weights of mastery vs vers in those 2 rings versions.In my cases Pawn was telling me that higher ilv was better but zygor was thinking that lower ilv was better for some reason.For me Zygor weights are sometimes very weird so basicly use its gear advise only to easily swap items from my bag into gear .And later when i ding top lv i use simed weights.

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Posted Oct 27, 2018
Hi! I'm using a custom weight for my character, is it not possible to hide the default ones? Sorry if this is a dumb question, checked everywhere.

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Posted Oct 28, 2018
In reply to Dainina:

Hi! Sure; just open up the Pawn UI and shift-click the ones you don't want to see, like tracking quests. (Or, on the Scale tab, uncheck "show this scale in tooltips.")

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Posted Oct 22, 2018
I've found a bug while using Pawn (Spanish version). In spain we use the comas and the point to separate decimal values the other way arround to the rest of the world, and somehow this has not been correctly addresed in the addon. When comparing Heptavium, Staff of Torturous Knowledge between 355 and 340 versions the Normal mode drop has 1,103 intelect, that in spanish is correctly written ingame as 1.103 with a dot; while the LFR version has 961 intelect. When comparing both with Pawn, it reads as the intelect was 1,1 in english, thus telling me to equip the lesser version.

https://imgur.com/a/NCGJn8x

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Posted Oct 28, 2018
In reply to ionabad12:

Hi! Sorry for the trouble—until recently, WoW in the Spanish (EU) version displayed it was "1 103", and that's what Pawn was expecting. I've got this fixed in Pawn 2.2.31, which should be available shortly.

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Posted Oct 19, 2018
Mastery value 2 times higher than speed for Discipine priest facepalm.jpg

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Posted Oct 13, 2018
Hello,

Recently (not sure exactly when, maybe since 8.0), Pawn causes an issue with AllTheThings where ATT's appearance collection icon is positioned by Pawn, causing overlaps with some items. Furthermore, not all item tooltips are affected; items in the inventory or in the Dungeon Journal are fine. It seems to be only tooltips on the World Map (World Quest/emissary rewards). I took these screenshots with only ATT and Pawn enabled and I'm using the enUS client. I'm using a different font but the issue occurs with the default font as well.

WQ reward tooltip:

https://gyazo.com/adaffd59ceff96eb9ff0f6aa16b87035

Emissary reward tooltip:

https://gyazo.com/4333150db203c45f1ec31eb33e14b87a

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Posted Oct 28, 2018
In reply to Bladehawk27:

Hmm, where does ATT's icon normally appear? I'm not sure that there's anything I can do to change that, but maybe I can look into it. Thanks for the report!

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Posted Nov 6, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

The icon is supposed to show in the top-right corner of the tooltip in such a way that the tooltip's width is expanded to fit the text to the right of it.

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Posted Oct 9, 2018
Pawn offers rings with Unique-Equiped, I do wear one same with better iLevel and can't use second one in second slot. Second issue, I'm getting as upgrade neck items even I wearing Hearth of Azeroth and its 100+ iLevel better than necklages in my bag (garrison reward or baleful tokens).

Example: Embittered Locket of the Aurora iLevel 138 shows as Upgrade to my Heart of Azeroth iLevel 352.

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Posted Oct 10, 2018
In reply to EduardCurse:

Hey! Which language do you play in? My guess is that Pawn is missing one of the stats on your Heart in your language. If you put the Heart into Pawn's Compare tab (put it into the upper-right side, and then anything can go into the upper-left, even the same item), are any stats missing?

I'm aware of the problem with Unique-Equipped rings—Pawn's supposed to ignore other identical rings, but that must have stopped working at some point. Thanks for the report!

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Posted Oct 10, 2018
In reply to VgerAN:

Hello, thanks for all effort. I'm using enGB client. I'm using simple tooltip compare, never did use PAWN build in windows for compare. It shows small green arrow on icon in my bag as well. I will follow your instructions and tell you if neck from garrison is considered as upgrade over HOA neck.

As for rings. I think you hit same problem as I. I'm having autovendor of items and new item have weird behave for iLevel detection.

is not possible to use GetItemInfo, because it shows very base iLevel for BFA items

is not possible to scan tooltip when you use SetItemByID(itemId) it shows again same base iLevel for item

You must use SetBagItem(bag,slot) and scan tooltip to see true iLevel of item

Probably when you query iLevel of equiped item in your addon and getting wrong iLevel with stats. Same as I get when my code did use 2) for quering item in bags. I did get itemID from bag slot and then I did scan tooltip by setting with SetItemByID() and I got whacked numbers compared to values when I did use SetBagItem().
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